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	<title>Comments on: HOW TO &#8211;  Make plants talk! They&#8217;ll Twitter you when they need to be watered (and more)&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: anon coward</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2008/02/25/how-to-make-plants-talk-t/#comment-291099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon coward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know Arduino aims to keep it simple, but $15 + $28-50 for the Xport?!? ...and your open-source project is bound to high-level proprietary (or at least vendor specific) components and protocols? 

Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Arduino aims to keep it simple, but $15 + $28-50 for the Xport?!? &#8230;and your open-source project is bound to high-level proprietary (or at least vendor specific) components and protocols? </p>
<p>Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This project can actually be made cheaper if you don&#039;t mind going through a pc. Also you can use one of the bare bones version of the arduino.

PC - BBB Arduino - Plant

Some code changes would be needed but it will be alot cheaper. I&#039;m planning on doing something similiar but for more plants and sending the data to my pc. But it is a cool idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This project can actually be made cheaper if you don&#8217;t mind going through a pc. Also you can use one of the bare bones version of the arduino.</p>
<p>PC &#8211; BBB Arduino &#8211; Plant</p>
<p>Some code changes would be needed but it will be alot cheaper. I&#8217;m planning on doing something similiar but for more plants and sending the data to my pc. But it is a cool idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This project can actually be made cheaper if you don&#039;t mind going through a pc. Also you can use one of the bare bones version of the arduino.

PC - BBB Arduino - Plant

Some code changes would be needed but it will be alot cheaper. I&#039;m planning on doing something similiar but for more plants and sending the data to my pc. But it is a cool idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This project can actually be made cheaper if you don&#8217;t mind going through a pc. Also you can use one of the bare bones version of the arduino.</p>
<p>PC &#8211; BBB Arduino &#8211; Plant</p>
<p>Some code changes would be needed but it will be alot cheaper. I&#8217;m planning on doing something similiar but for more plants and sending the data to my pc. But it is a cool idea.</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Oracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say it&#039;s not cheaper if you use the PC since it&#039;s not fair to not factor in the cost of the PC (and extra electricity costs).

If you&#039;re using the PC, why bother with an arduino?  Just connect the sensor directly (maybe with a simple $2 PIC circuit to translate the sensor but even that might not be needed depending on the sensor).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it&#8217;s not cheaper if you use the PC since it&#8217;s not fair to not factor in the cost of the PC (and extra electricity costs).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re using the PC, why bother with an arduino?  Just connect the sensor directly (maybe with a simple $2 PIC circuit to translate the sensor but even that might not be needed depending on the sensor).</p>
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		<title>By: ladyada</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2008/02/25/how-to-make-plants-talk-t/#comment-291103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ladyada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?&quot;

as someone who has written a tcp/ip stack* as well as overlaying protocols such as DHCP, for 8-bit micros (AVR/PIC), the answer is &quot;yes, its extremely hard to use&quot;. its also much more expensive than you&#039;d think, after all the &#039;extras&#039; necessary for the chip/phy to work, and/or requires soldering of very fine-pitch parts. $28 for a do-it-all plug-in module with all the nonsense is a good deal for people who just want one item.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ladyada.net/techproj/aether/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ladyada.net/techproj/aether/index.html&lt;/a&gt; , etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?&#8221;</p>
<p>as someone who has written a tcp/ip stack* as well as overlaying protocols such as DHCP, for 8-bit micros (AVR/PIC), the answer is &#8220;yes, its extremely hard to use&#8221;. its also much more expensive than you&#8217;d think, after all the &#8216;extras&#8217; necessary for the chip/phy to work, and/or requires soldering of very fine-pitch parts. $28 for a do-it-all plug-in module with all the nonsense is a good deal for people who just want one item.</p>
<p><a href="http://ladyada.net/techproj/aether/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://ladyada.net/techproj/aether/index.html</a> , etc.</p>
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		<title>By: t11s</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?&quot;

If you are only looking for a web server on a static IP, then these seem to do OK (of course, you could just use an Xport by itself as a web server).  I&#039;ve used a PIC board pre-programmed as a web server.

However if you want to have a dependable DHCP address and initiate general UDP or TCP sessions, I&#039;ve found the PIC stacks incredibly annoying to use and often bug-ridden.  I suspect the AVR stacks are the same way.

The Arduino/Xport solution is easy to set up and use and is very dependable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are the complete, free tcp/ip stacks for AVR (Aurduino), PIC, MSP430, ARM, Freescale (coldfire, et al), etc so difficult to learn that open hardware needs to take these shortcuts?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are only looking for a web server on a static IP, then these seem to do OK (of course, you could just use an Xport by itself as a web server).  I&#8217;ve used a PIC board pre-programmed as a web server.</p>
<p>However if you want to have a dependable DHCP address and initiate general UDP or TCP sessions, I&#8217;ve found the PIC stacks incredibly annoying to use and often bug-ridden.  I suspect the AVR stacks are the same way.</p>
<p>The Arduino/Xport solution is easy to set up and use and is very dependable.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not just make it water the plant ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just make it water the plant ?</p>
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		<title>By: marhgil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marhgil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[useless crap]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>useless crap</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[or just stick your finger in the dirt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or just stick your finger in the dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: follower</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[follower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the xport doesn&#039;t suit your needs, you might want to look into the WIZ810MJ used by my (in-progress) Netduino expansion shield project for the Arduino:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://code.rancidbacon.com/Netduino&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://code.rancidbacon.com/Netduino&lt;/a&gt;

It includes a library to make the network (almost) as easy to use as serial for communication. (But doesn&#039;t use your serial connection to do it!)

--Phil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the xport doesn&#8217;t suit your needs, you might want to look into the WIZ810MJ used by my (in-progress) Netduino expansion shield project for the Arduino:</p>
<p><a href="http://code.rancidbacon.com/Netduino" rel="nofollow">http://code.rancidbacon.com/Netduino</a></p>
<p>It includes a library to make the network (almost) as easy to use as serial for communication. (But doesn&#8217;t use your serial connection to do it!)</p>
<p>&#8211;Phil.</p>
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