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	<title>Comments on: MAKE Visits the Open Source Ecology Project</title>
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		<title>By: Marcin Jakubowski is building the DIY machines for a new civilization &#124; Tim Batchelder.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-1005963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcin Jakubowski is building the DIY machines for a new civilization &#124; Tim Batchelder.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Mar 2013 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Jon Kalish Visits the Open Source Ecology Project (makezine.com) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: AJ Tarnas</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-836356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ Tarnas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of those very last lines -- &quot;Especially retired people.&quot; -- I hope you actually have success with that, there are so many old skilled machinists and engineers who would get a new lease on life with this project, making history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of those very last lines &#8212; &#8220;Especially retired people.&#8221; &#8212; I hope you actually have success with that, there are so many old skilled machinists and engineers who would get a new lease on life with this project, making history.</p>
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		<title>By: Un mundo de código abierto &#171; Perlas Invisibles</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-721445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Un mundo de código abierto &#171; Perlas Invisibles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Lee sobre el proyecto (en inglés):  http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lee sobre el proyecto (en inglés):  <a href="http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MAKE &#124; Young Maker Nabs Thiel Fellowship</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-502398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MAKE &#124; Young Maker Nabs Thiel Fellowship]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 19:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I visited the Open Source Ecology farm in Missouri earlier this year, I met an impressive young Canadian named Yoonseo Kang. I wasn’t [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: JohnZapps</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-378554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnZapps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Marcin. I really like what you&#039;ve done. I&#039;m not certain but I think we met once back in &#039;03 I guess. I may be thinking of someone else though. It was in someone or others kitchen here in the suburbs of Philly. We had a lively discussion about the inexplicable cost difference between raw materials and amortized goods. Particularly high dollar or non &quot;DIY-able&quot; items. Unrestrained capitalism after all. I think you had either &#039;just&#039; gotten serious on all this (&quot;just&quot; comparatively speaking) or were about to. Now I wish I got your autograph. I&#039;ll just have to learn to use my welder now. (Finally!)

PS, It&#039;s been a while since I checked the factor e blog. You might want to add roller bearings and a few other vital items to your capability list under &quot;just in case&quot; a supply disruption of the scale of the &#039;08-9 credit crunch happens again...


I&#039;m not a True Fan yet but am a fan,
John A.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Marcin. I really like what you&#8217;ve done. I&#8217;m not certain but I think we met once back in &#8217;03 I guess. I may be thinking of someone else though. It was in someone or others kitchen here in the suburbs of Philly. We had a lively discussion about the inexplicable cost difference between raw materials and amortized goods. Particularly high dollar or non &#8220;DIY-able&#8221; items. Unrestrained capitalism after all. I think you had either &#8216;just&#8217; gotten serious on all this (&#8220;just&#8221; comparatively speaking) or were about to. Now I wish I got your autograph. I&#8217;ll just have to learn to use my welder now. (Finally!)</p>
<p>PS, It&#8217;s been a while since I checked the factor e blog. You might want to add roller bearings and a few other vital items to your capability list under &#8220;just in case&#8221; a supply disruption of the scale of the &#8217;08-9 credit crunch happens again&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a True Fan yet but am a fan,<br />
John A.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnZapps</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-378499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnZapps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geez. That&#039;s a lot more than I realized ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez. That&#8217;s a lot more than I realized <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JohnZapps</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnZapps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. It&#039;s called &quot;Thermal Mass.&quot; That quote pertains directly to homes built of CEB, which the mud hut technically isn&#039;t though it still approximates. Part of this effect is due to the thermal inertia of all the material- and so &quot;Thermal Mass.&quot; It just takes a while for much heat to flow into or out of it. Also this is synonymous with Insulation. Granted if the 24hr average fell to -20F and stayed there a month it would be just as cold inside too eventually. Given only body heat an internal temperature of 45deg could be had in conditions not much better. Maybe even in worse. 

I saw a PBS program where a deer-hide yurt was about 50+ degrees F warmer inside from body heat alone. (Just as the deer would be I suppose.) An additional &quot;tent&quot; around the bedding and a single candle made it very comfortable, and this being in Siberian winter. I doubt any significant effect from decomposition could be involved otherwise the compressed bricks would burn. I&#039;d be a bit concerned about seismic vulnerability down there in the New Madrid fault zone. I doubt the building codes are taking things into account...yet. It must be doable since it would certainly be required in that LA apartment construction.

As for all those secondary parts it seems they would all be obviated by simplified design or available cheaply as commodities, such as the bearings and hoses you mention. At least *for now.* The way things are going I&#039;d expect everything to be so restricted by price gouging and lack of competition (domestic especially) as to make everything dear. 


Even water is quickly becoming so poisoned that it&#039;s only a matter of time before it will come only with a heavy mark-up, be it monetary or the cost to your health. Maybe the domestic market for water purification able to remove fracking chemicals and well as heavy metal content should be considered. Those are needed right here now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. It&#8217;s called &#8220;Thermal Mass.&#8221; That quote pertains directly to homes built of CEB, which the mud hut technically isn&#8217;t though it still approximates. Part of this effect is due to the thermal inertia of all the material- and so &#8220;Thermal Mass.&#8221; It just takes a while for much heat to flow into or out of it. Also this is synonymous with Insulation. Granted if the 24hr average fell to -20F and stayed there a month it would be just as cold inside too eventually. Given only body heat an internal temperature of 45deg could be had in conditions not much better. Maybe even in worse. </p>
<p>I saw a PBS program where a deer-hide yurt was about 50+ degrees F warmer inside from body heat alone. (Just as the deer would be I suppose.) An additional &#8220;tent&#8221; around the bedding and a single candle made it very comfortable, and this being in Siberian winter. I doubt any significant effect from decomposition could be involved otherwise the compressed bricks would burn. I&#8217;d be a bit concerned about seismic vulnerability down there in the New Madrid fault zone. I doubt the building codes are taking things into account&#8230;yet. It must be doable since it would certainly be required in that LA apartment construction.</p>
<p>As for all those secondary parts it seems they would all be obviated by simplified design or available cheaply as commodities, such as the bearings and hoses you mention. At least *for now.* The way things are going I&#8217;d expect everything to be so restricted by price gouging and lack of competition (domestic especially) as to make everything dear. </p>
<p>Even water is quickly becoming so poisoned that it&#8217;s only a matter of time before it will come only with a heavy mark-up, be it monetary or the cost to your health. Maybe the domestic market for water purification able to remove fracking chemicals and well as heavy metal content should be considered. Those are needed right here now.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather than speculate today, I would like to show the results of the $500 tractor concept - hopefully within 1 year if our growth continues at its current trend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than speculate today, I would like to show the results of the $500 tractor concept &#8211; hopefully within 1 year if our growth continues at its current trend.</p>
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		<title>By: urban</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[urban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating read, love the swiss family robinson aspect of roll-your-own steel.  I&#039;m having a hard time with this part:  &quot;someone with the coming open source induction furnace will be able to build the entire tractor using melted down scrap metal for a mere $500.&quot;    When they say &quot;entire&quot; are we talking hoses, fuses, distributor caps, bearings, even bolts -- all the things that we can easily acquire now that we aren&#039;t driving mules around and living in mud huts?  Is there a benefit to building primitive machines that already exist in a much more refined state?   I still think it&#039;s cool, just not sure if there&#039;s a larger practical application beyond the fulfillment of having done it yourself.  Anyone know why the mud house wouldn&#039;t get below 45 degrees?  Is there some active decomp reaction occuring?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating read, love the swiss family robinson aspect of roll-your-own steel.  I&#8217;m having a hard time with this part:  &#8220;someone with the coming open source induction furnace will be able to build the entire tractor using melted down scrap metal for a mere $500.&#8221;    When they say &#8220;entire&#8221; are we talking hoses, fuses, distributor caps, bearings, even bolts &#8212; all the things that we can easily acquire now that we aren&#8217;t driving mules around and living in mud huts?  Is there a benefit to building primitive machines that already exist in a much more refined state?   I still think it&#8217;s cool, just not sure if there&#8217;s a larger practical application beyond the fulfillment of having done it yourself.  Anyone know why the mud house wouldn&#8217;t get below 45 degrees?  Is there some active decomp reaction occuring?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bruno</title>
		<link>http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/08/jon-kalish-visits-open-source-ecology/#comment-369315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bruno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this very inspiring story. Make always gets my gears turning, but this man and the narrative about his efforts exudes positive vibes that I rarely feel online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this very inspiring story. Make always gets my gears turning, but this man and the narrative about his efforts exudes positive vibes that I rarely feel online.</p>
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