Soccer bots combine both worlds


This is a really nice example of the virtual and physical worlds merging. The bots are made from 22 pieces and are controlled from an external computer. But the real question is, are they robots?

Typically when we think about a robot we automatically assume that it is self contained to some extent. It has some means of locomotion - wheels, legs, or tracks, a source of power, some sensors, and a brain to control it all. But what about robots where the intelligence isn't 'on-board'? Are they still 'robots'? If the answer is no, then how would you classify them?

Virtual soccer bots - Link

Posted by Marc de Vinck | Mar 18, 2008 01:00 AM
Robotics | Permalink | Comments (6) | Email This | Bookmark and Share | Digg this!

Recent Entries

Comments

Oldest comments listed first.

Posted by: Ash on March 18, 2008 at 12:27 AM

Of course they are still robots!

Don't try to foist your archaic 'processing-unit-has-to-be-contained-within-the-body' views upon us now that we finally have communication links fast and small enough to remotely control multiple units at once. :)

I suppose each bot *could* also be thought of as sort of limb for a single robot but that really depends on whether you class the computer/software controlling them as a single brain or multiple brains each existing in a different thread or timeslice on the CPU.

It makes sense to me to centrally control smaller bots due to processing constraints and easier integration of multiple information sources.


Posted by: Aud1073cH on March 18, 2008 at 1:40 AM

The problem here is that "robot" may be defined a few different ways, here are three that come to mind:

(1) A bomb disposal team will use a "robot" to inspect, disable, or transport a suspicious package to determine what it is, and render it safe. These are usually controlled remotely by humans. In this case "robot" is simply a complex tool. It may appear to be moving autonomously, but it isn't. Many "battle bots" fit into this category, controlled with standard RC systems.

(2) A more common definition is a device that carries out a task autonomously, without user intervention, such as assembly line robots, sumo bots, etc.

(3) Other robots may have no physical parts (software web bots, like spiders, etc.)


The Soccer bot(s) here seem to span them all. There is a software component(3) operating autonomously, that is controlling mechanical components remotely(1), to create an autonomous system that works in the physical realm(2). (A robot made of a software bot controlling remote control robots)

So yes, I consider it/them (a) robot(s).


Posted by: Marc on March 18, 2008 at 5:36 AM

@ash

I was thinking something similar to you your "limb" theory. Even if these individual bots are not robots (which I think they are) they would still be part of the bigger robot, just remote "parts"



Posted by: Marc on March 18, 2008 at 5:38 AM

@Aud1073cH

1 - yep
2 - yep
3 - yep

Totally agree. Thanks.



Posted by: aoeu on March 18, 2008 at 11:20 AM

If one program controls all of them, then call them drones.

I had a long post describing differences between drones, robots etc, bot it was eaten by your captcha system... :/


Posted by: NiñoScript on March 18, 2008 at 6:56 PM

If we've learned something from starcraft, is that alien species (aka zerg) may have a collective sentience (i.e overmind and cerebrates.
So, if Zergs can do that and still be called living beigns, robots should also be able to ;-)

Also, they are just as any other normal robot... they have sensors (to get the commands wireless) they do have a processing unit (that processes the wireless signal), actuators, etc..
They just are commanded by a more "intelligent", actuatorless robot.

Or the other way to see it, is that they are part of a bigger robot, just as the limb thing Ash was talking about.


Leave a comment


Subscribe to MAKE!Subscribe to MAKE Magazine!

Subscribe today, save 42% and get web access to MAKE free. MAKE Digital Edition is available only to subscribers.

$34.95 / 1 year
(4 Quarterly Issues)

Subscribe now

How-to videos for Makers and Crafers!


Void your warranty, violate a user agreement, fry a circuit, blow a fuse, poke an eye out... Welcome to the Make Blog!

Features and more @ MAKE!

Maker shed - cool stuff to make!
Stop by the Maker Shed store and check out THE place for open source hardware, Arduino & Arduino accessories, electronic kits, science kits, smart stuff for kids, back issues of MAKE & CRAFT, box sets, books, robots, kits from Japan and more.

Add MAKE to iGoogle - GoogleGoogle.
Add MAKE to your RSS reader - Real simple.
Add MAKE on Twitter.
Add MAKE on FriendFeed & the MAKE room.


Advertise here with FM.

Why advertise on MAKE?
Read what folks are saying about us!

Click here to advertise on MAKE!

Subscribe to MAKE Magazine!

Makezine authors!


Suggest a Site!

Phillip Torrone
Senior Editor
Tel: 707-827-7311
Twitter / AIM

Gareth Branwyn
Jonah Brucker-Cohen
Collin Cunningham
Marc de Vinck
Kip Kay
Luke Iseman
Patti Schiendelman
Becky Stern
Mike Dixon
Peter Horvath(intern)


Current Podcast

itunesdl.gif The Best of Maker Faire Austin 2008 Check out all the fun and excitement at this year's Maker Faire in Austin, Texas. People from all over the world came to experience this amazing event. Take a look at some of the highlights and make plans to... More...

Get the Make blog sent via email

Enter your email to receive the Make blog each day:



WOW! Thanks to everyone involved with Maker Faire Bay Area and Maker Faire Austin in 2008: attendees, makers, exhibitors, sponsors, volunteers, and crew...it was an AMAZING year! Over 1,000 Makers and 87,000+ attendees total! Be sure to check out the photos @ Flickr, and our Maker Faire posts for all the action! Check back for dates for 2009 soon!

Make Categories

www.flickr.com
photos in MAKE More photos in MAKE Flickr Pool
www.flickr.com
photos in Craft More photos in Craft Flickr Pool

Advertise here.
Why advertise on MAKE?
Read what folks are saying about us!

Click here to advertise on MAKE!
Subscribe to MAKE Magazine!

Recent Posts from the Craft: Blog

Recent Posts from the Hackszine Blog