In brewing, wort is "the liquid extracted from the mashing process during the brewing of beer or whisky. Wort contains the sugars that will be fermented by the brewing yeast to produce alcohol" [Wikipedia]. At a certain point in the brewing process, you need to cool down your wort. This ambitious homebrewmaster made a huge cooler (96 ft of tubing) for his 22 gallon brewpot. [via Zedomax]
Posted by: the_case on November 9, 2009 at 7:01 PM
overkill
Has the dude ever heard of a in-line plate chiller? It cools the stuff down to room temp as it passes through a line to the fermenter - its never been a problem with my 12 gallon batches...
The cheapest plate chiller probably costs about half of what he spent on the copper alone - not to mention the time investment... and it only takes up the space equivalent of a large shoe.
Impressive, yes. There are just better/cheaper ways to achieve the same result.
Posted by: ehrichweiss on November 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM
tubing..
Ok, what I'm about to say is going to seem backwards but it's definitely something to consider.
You need smaller tubing to get better cooling because the ratio of the surface area of the copper, and the volume of water doing the cooling is too small. You want more surface area of copper and less volume of cool water to which to transfer that heat.
Pi=3.14
surface area of tube = Pi x diameter of tube
volume = Pi x radius^2
ratio = surface area of tube / volume
size: 1/4"
surface area: 0.785 square inches per linear inch of tubing
volume: 0.0490625 cubic inches per linear inch.
ratio of surface area to volume:16
size: 3/8"
surface area: 1.1775 square inches per linear inch
volume: 0.110390625
ratio of surface area to volume:10.666666667
size: 1/2"
surface area: 1.57
volume: 0.19625
ratio of surface area to volume:8
These aren't exact numbers for several reasons including that they don't take into account the thickness of the actual copper but they tell us the overall story, smaller gives better heat transfer, increasing by 32.5% moving from 1/2" to 3/8", and increasing by 100% moving from 1/2" to 1/4". That means a specified volume flow in the 1/2" would get about 1/2 the transferred heat as the same flow rate in the 1/4".
If you own a website or are writing a book, and want to include these numbers, feel free; facts aren't copyrightable and I wouldn't care even if they were. Though I would appreciate a copy of any books, or a link to the sites..:) Besides, this knowledge came from someone else, I just worked out the math on it.
Posted by: Jesse Colclasure on November 15, 2009 at 6:30 AM
hmm
Your comment regarding tube diameter makes sense. The goal is to achieve turbulent flow, as opposed to laminar. We use an equation in plastic injection molding to calculate Reynold's number to ensure that we have turbulent flow through the cooling lines in the mold. The higher the Reynold's number, the higher the cooling efficiency. If you can increase the flow rate, you can use a larger diameter tube. If your water flow rate is limited, you would need a smaller diameter tube.
Posted by: water temp on November 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM
water temp
With the amount of exchange in the size of the chiller, wouldn't the water actually be the same temp as the wort by the time it travelled half way through the wort, hence half of the pipe would be wasted.
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I hope that isn't kept outdoors or visible from a window -that much copper is a magnet for thieves...
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Has the dude ever heard of a in-line plate chiller? It cools the stuff down to room temp as it passes through a line to the fermenter - its never been a problem with my 12 gallon batches...
The cheapest plate chiller probably costs about half of what he spent on the copper alone - not to mention the time investment... and it only takes up the space equivalent of a large shoe.
Impressive, yes. There are just better/cheaper ways to achieve the same result.
Reply to this comment
Ok, what I'm about to say is going to seem backwards but it's definitely something to consider.
You need smaller tubing to get better cooling because the ratio of the surface area of the copper, and the volume of water doing the cooling is too small. You want more surface area of copper and less volume of cool water to which to transfer that heat.
Pi=3.14
surface area of tube = Pi x diameter of tube
volume = Pi x radius^2
ratio = surface area of tube / volume
size: 1/4"
surface area: 0.785 square inches per linear inch of tubing
volume: 0.0490625 cubic inches per linear inch.
ratio of surface area to volume:16
size: 3/8"
surface area: 1.1775 square inches per linear inch
volume: 0.110390625
ratio of surface area to volume:10.666666667
size: 1/2"
surface area: 1.57
volume: 0.19625
ratio of surface area to volume:8
These aren't exact numbers for several reasons including that they don't take into account the thickness of the actual copper but they tell us the overall story, smaller gives better heat transfer, increasing by 32.5% moving from 1/2" to 3/8", and increasing by 100% moving from 1/2" to 1/4". That means a specified volume flow in the 1/2" would get about 1/2 the transferred heat as the same flow rate in the 1/4".
If you own a website or are writing a book, and want to include these numbers, feel free; facts aren't copyrightable and I wouldn't care even if they were. Though I would appreciate a copy of any books, or a link to the sites..:) Besides, this knowledge came from someone else, I just worked out the math on it.
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Your comment regarding tube diameter makes sense. The goal is to achieve turbulent flow, as opposed to laminar. We use an equation in plastic injection molding to calculate Reynold's number to ensure that we have turbulent flow through the cooling lines in the mold. The higher the Reynold's number, the higher the cooling efficiency. If you can increase the flow rate, you can use a larger diameter tube. If your water flow rate is limited, you would need a smaller diameter tube.
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With the amount of exchange in the size of the chiller, wouldn't the water actually be the same temp as the wort by the time it travelled half way through the wort, hence half of the pipe would be wasted.
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How much volume does the chiller take up in your brewpot? It seems like this would reduce the size of the batches you can brew in your pot.
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